<div dir="auto">Thanks for the outstanding info..Ive got a hollow trunk of a downed oak .. There is a small saw mill couple miles from here that will plank it..May char the insides..The 'hollow' will be my 'river'...But after reading your very informative post, I think my first one will be an end table rather than coffee table.š</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 11:13 AM chuck.steger--- via Woodworkers <<a href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org">woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-8612269007504283696WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā I just realized that I may have confused some people, especially if youāve never done a resin pour. Most people who do a river table will take a board with natural edges on both sides and then split that board straight down the middle. The straight parts become the edges of the table and the wavy natural edges become the river (in the middle). You can then make the river as wide as you want.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā In other cases (like mine), I wanted the resin to also be the edges. If you look at the before picture you will see the edges are natural and wavy. My resin is a translucent blue and if you look at after the pour, you can see the outline of the board edges. They say to make the form a little bigger than you want (in this case) so you can trim to the size you want. Once I plane down to the wood, the edges should become even clearer. At this point I plan on keeping the edges straight but another option would be to follow the curves and do some sort of edge treatment. Iām playing all of this by ear.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā I wanted to clarify since this isnāt a true river table.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā I was prepping my router for the surfacing bits. My largest router (DeWalt 3 Ā½ hp plunge) will not accommodate a 3ā bit. I think 2ā may fit. The bit will have to hang below the router base. I have to be very careful because a plunge routerās natural tendency (because of the springs) is to return up. Iāll have to hang the bit off of the wood (in my slab carrier) in a āfree spaceā, slightly above the wood but away from my router base. Then Iāll plunge to a depth (set by my depth stop) and do a pass. Without raising the bit and in my free space, Iāll adjust the micro depth adjuster up a scootch and then plunge again. Iāll do this until I need to stop and check in which case Iāll return to my free space and shut off the router without retracting. This makes me nervous but as long as I am aware, I should be ok.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT"">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:chuck.steger@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chuck.steger@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:chuck.steger@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chuck.steger@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Woodworkers] Resin Table<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>Ā <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā Some ābeforeā pictures. Hopefully the āafterā pictures will be better </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">š¤</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā As usual, I appreciate everyoneās tips! I spent yesterday making a shop-made slab flattening jig. I finished the router carrier and rails but then realized my only planer bit is a dado clean out bit. Itās too small and would take forever to do a slab. I ended up ordering 2 bits: (1) A Whiteside surfacing bit, Ā½ā shank, with carbide tips, 2ā cutting diameter and (2) a Binstak surfacing bit with Helix cutters, Ā½ā shank, 3ā cutting diameter. The helix cutters gives me 4 edges each and I ordered extra cutters. It will be interesting to see which one cuts smoother.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ā Ā Early into the project, I already have lessons learned: <u></u><u></u></span></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I made the form pretty well. Very little leakage (very little) and used packing tape on the bottom and insides. The sides popped off easily and the bottom came off easily after using a wide putty knife.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The mix went well. I used powdered pigment instead of liquid. Some people think liquid changes the chemistry of the mix. Thoughts on that? Iāve used liquid in small applications like filling a knot but also realize that big-box epoxy is way different than deep pour epoxy.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For first timers like me: The deep pour epoxy is real thin so you have plenty of time to work with it (keep this in mind when making the form). Mine said a 72 hour cure. The longer the cure, the more time air bubble can come to the surface. I used a heat gun to bring bubbles to the surface and even after that, some still rose (not a problem as I will need to surface anyway). Thoughts on heat gun vs torch? <u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I did not flatten the wood before the pour. My thought process was it was only 4/4 thick and if I flatten now and then again after the pour, it would be too thin. Not sure if that is a valid way to think about it. After watching more YouTube videos I think I could have saved epoxy and not have near the cleanup if I had flattened first.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I should have screwed the wood down from the bottom. I didnāt realize it was floating until I noticed the cracks werenāt complexly filling. Some YouTubers use hot melt glue. Thoughts on holding wood down? One YouTuber used clamps but he had silicone pads to place the clamp head on. In the photos, the brick did help but I think the buildup on the bottom had already started. With 2 bricks touching wood, one came off clean and one was solidly epoxied to the top. Red brick is real hard and it would have taken a long time to sand off so I chiseled it off.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Given the wood wasnāt flattened before and I didnāt screw down the wood, I really overpoured. At the time I though that more was better and that I could always clean it up. In hind sight Iām having to clean up more and the underside of the top has 1/8ā thick resin build. I think some would have leaked on the bottom but not 1/8ā thick. A lot of YouTubers will either fill slightly under to plane wood first and some fill slightly over but none fill like I did </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">ā¹</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I left the bark on. One YouTuber thought the bark could separate from the wood. I think the epoxy was so thin, it permeated the bark and will hold. Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_-8612269007504283696MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Iām glad I started with a small table.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT"">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Woodworkers <<a href="mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary C Williams via Woodworkers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 19, 2021 1:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gcw804@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gcw804@aol.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Woodworkers] Resin Table<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>Ā <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Chuck, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Show us some pictures when you get a chance.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No matter what you use, you are either going to load up the sanding disks and belts, or dull your planer blades and router bits. I would probably go the route of using a jig and a router to level it, and then come back and do the final sanding with a Micro Mesh sanding pads..<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Router bits are relatively inexpensive.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Make sure to wear a respirator.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Good Luck.Ā <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Gary Williams<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>Ā <u></u></span></p><div id="m_-8612269007504283696yiv6749774290"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ā Which leads me to my questions:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ā Ā What do you use to level the table and sand the resin? I tried a belt sander but it loads up real quickly. Will the resin dull my planer knives if I send it through the planer? I have a drum sander but if the belt sander loaded up, wouldnāt the drum sander? I thought about putting it back in the form and use a router to level. The top wasnāt totally level but I could use wedges to level, then route. The underside of the top has a good 1/8ā to 3/16ā of resin and Iād like to take that down to the wood. One YouTube video said they liked Micro Mesh sanding pads because they are porous and vacuum easily but that would be a lot of sanding to remove 1/8ā or more.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ā Ā Advice? Thanks!</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ā </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";color:black">Chuck</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ā <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">_______________________________________________<br>I want to be one of my friends for a day so I can see how cool it is to hang out with me.<br><a href="mailto:Woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</a><br><br>To unsubscribe from this list -<br><a href="http://lists.sawdusters.org/listinfo.cgi/woodworkers-sawdusters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.sawdusters.org/listinfo.cgi/woodworkers-sawdusters.org</a><br><br>Address to contact the list ADMIN staff -<br><a href="mailto:woodworkers-owner@lists.sawdusters.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">woodworkers-owner@lists.sawdusters.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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