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<p>Thanks! It is going to be great not working in the garage any
more (which equates to not working much).</p>
<p>We'll get through this and move forward now. I'm hoping to get it
wrapped up and insulated/heated before it gets too cold out.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2016 10:20 PM, Dave Howerton
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new shop! It's a pretty awesome feeling knowing you've got a
dedicated space to make sawdust...<br>
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Secondly, I have little to offer in the way of help about your
electrical stuff. Building mine didn't require a whole lot in
excess of "the usual". My inspector was cool and I came through
with only one grounding issue for the final - which turned out
to be a loose wire. I don't think I could do it now, though, as
the city of Post Falls has taken over all of the plumbing and
electrical permits from the state. And I haven't heard good
things....<br>
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I wholeheartedly agree with 2Dave about not moving in any tools
before the inspection. It's none of his damn business what
you'll be doing with that space aside from what it says on the
permit. If we were closer I'd be glad to help, but I guess I'll
just have to live vicariously through your posts & pics.<br>
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Congrats again! And good luck!<br>
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September 26, 2016 6:52 PM, Mike Hales via Woodworkers
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<div>Thanks 2Dave,</div>
<div>The contractor told me once I had the gas line
passed (36" deep) to fill the trench up to 20" and
lay the conduit, which I did. Then he told me to
cover the trench as the electrician and the garage
door guy would be there the next day and needed to
get down the driveway. I asked if he was sure,
since it hadn't been inspected and he said: "...<span
style="color:#1F497D;">On the electrical if you
could just take some pictures with a tape
measure in the hole showing the depth at 20” in
a couple different spots that will be good for
the inspector. More than likely he won’t even
ask for that, but if he does you’re covered." <br
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<div><span style="color:#1F497D;">So, the first
thing El Inspector said when he showed up was
"You covered the trench..." I said yeah, but
I've got pictures, they told me that's all I'd
need." "They lied to you." said he, and no, he
didn't even want to see them. He let me by with
digging some random inspection holes, but we had
to re-schedule. grr. The last thing was he said
today the trench was too shallow. The conduit
needed to be 24" not 20". As far as I can tell
from NEC, 18" is plenty good under a driveway,
you only need 24" under a street. But the
inspector has the last word as we all know, so
we promised to put two more inches of road mix
over the driveway later and he passed it.<br
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<div><span style="color:#1F497D;">I guess I'm on the
right track with the circuit sizing, but I don't
know what to do about the GFCI issue. It seems
ALL "garage" outlets (which is what it appears
to be) must have them, so I guess I'll just keep
enough on hand to pass the exam. ;-)</span></div>
<div><span style="color:#1F497D;">I was hoping I
could find someone locally who might be willing
help me out with the specs and a plan that had a
chance of being approved. Otherwise, I've got a
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<pre>You buried the pipe before it was inspected didn't you :) Tsk tsk
Gotta love inspectors. I think the other Dave ran into some separation of line voltage and low voltage cables which was what Idaho was focusing on at that time.
Maybe he was trying to be helpful?
To the best of my knowledge the "electrical" inspector cannot dictate what tools get DC or anything else he quoted. Unless Idaho has some new safety (aka OSHA) electrical inspector program.
I think at this point I would get all the wire ran with outlets installed and inspected before I moved a tool in there. What can he say? If the electrical passes it passes. It is between you and your insurance company after that.
Now one hurdle you are going to encounter is all the new requirements for GFCI's and all the other safety crap. Your motors on your power tools will trip them. So somehow you have to get around that.
I was lucky. When I built my shop I only needed GFI's. I planned my outlet circuits out with the maximum number you can have off of the GFI outlet. That way if I got caught I was going to change out the first outlet pass inspection and then take it back out. The inspector was so enamored by the neatness of my work and everything I had going on he never even checked to see if I had GFI's. All my stationary tools I ran off 220 which they didn't make GFI's for at that time. Maybe they still don't?
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Subject: [Woodworkers] New Shop
Well, after four years in our new home we finally got around to getting a shop building put up.
It's 20' X 28' slab-on-grade with 8' ceilings. Best we could do for the bucks.
I have natural gas and a 60-amp sub panel run to it from the house and (after some tribulations with the 'lectrical inspector over the trench being covered. Long story), we have passed inspections and are good to go.
Wondering if any of you all had suggestions as to wiring and heating options. I think I know how I want the layout to flow, with 20-amp circuits for the bigger tools and Cyclone, air compressor, etc. and 15-amp circuits for the lighting and general bench receptacles.
I'm leaning towards an overhead garage heater (Hot Dawg type) in about the 50,000 BTU range with external combustion air so's I don't suck all that dust into the burners and such. Any opinions or alternatives along these lines would be appreciated?
What I'm really up against is my nemesis the Inspector. He started citing all kinds of "Class 2, Class 3 Combustible, dusty environment..."
and other rigamarole, telling me I had to have dust collection hooked up to every damn tool I own. Finally, he left a note on the sub panel that we need a separate permit for the inside wiring (duh). I was going to do so, but this guy's going to have a bead on me every step of the way. Not very friendly to a home-owner do-it-your-self-er type like me, it seems.
I think I'm going to need a bullet-proof plan to submit for the permit, or else just do it and hope it doesn't creep back later and bite me.
Probably not a good idea...
I really want to do things right, but the budget says I need to do this myself. I can run wires and all that, I have a code-checker book (a little dated) and have run lots of Romex in my day, but getting the specs just right is a little daunting.
Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated!
Thanks!
Mike Hales
Nampa, ID
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