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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This top is destined for trouble no matter what you
do. Whoever made this created a very bad cross grain problem here. The
walnut in the center is going to shrink and expand more than the lighter colored
wood across the width of the top. If you fill the cracks where the walnut
is and then this top absorbs any moisture, then I can see where the center of
this table will split away from the oak edges wherever the cross grain meets the
oak edges. I would go with the glass top suggestion and just consider the
existing splits as "character". Also offer a disclaimer for anyone who
visits you that you did not make this top. It was
"inherited".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Vince Granacher</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org
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href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org">Doug via Woodworkers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org
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href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</A> ; <A
title="mailto:harvey.freeman@eastlink.ca
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href="mailto:harvey.freeman@eastlink.ca">'Harvey Freeman'</A> ; <A
title="mailto:rshrove@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Woodworkers] So I was gifted this
bar.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
spent some time on this thing yesterday. As I was cleaning the old fill
out (finally got to use my Fein) I made an observation that all of the
cracked/damaged woods are walnut. The oak has not moved that I can
tell. I have a fair understanding of wood movement, normally you see a
piece swell then shrink. These seem to have just shrunk, no sign of swell.
Do you think our builder may have used wet walnut? If so, I would
feel much better about filling the cracks. I have some 4/4 walnut that I
could cut into strips and put in instead of filler in some of the worst
offenders. I don’t kid myself that I can match what’s in there but thought
that might be a better way to go than just epoxy. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
like the idea of the all thread but just don’t think I could make that happen
and not sure it’s necessary. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Woodworkers
[mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Harvey
Freeman via Woodworkers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 27, 2016 3:04
PM<BR><B>To:</B> woodworkers@sawdusters.org; Roy Shrove<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Woodworkers] So I was gifted this bar.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Many years ago in my
first course, Materials of Architecture, at the School of Architecture the prof
said “ always remember that wood is never dead”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">All thread can do a
good job on reassembling bowling alley wood but this example has wood going both
directions. I would put it as is under a tempered glass top and use it as
a bar top and conversation piece.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">My 5 cents worth
because Canada stopped using pennies several years
ago.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Harvey in
Halifax<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org">Roy Shrove via Woodworkers</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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Saturday, February 27, 2016 12:59 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=woodworkers@sawdusters.org
href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</A> ; <A
title=rla_buy@yahoo.com href="mailto:rla_buy@yahoo.com">Richard Allen</A>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[Woodworkers] So I was gifted this bar.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I have been thinking
about your problem and was thinking about an unconventional recommendation that
I saw used on some old bowling alley planks I once obtained.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I am unclear about the
extent that you can disassemble the top, but there may be a way around this if
dis-assembly is not in the cards. Have you considered using something like
all-thread to effectively pull the various pieces together and then use big
washers and nuts to provide a immovable rod to hold everything together
regardless of wood movement? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">If dis-assembly is an
option drill center line through each piece then fish some 1/4 - 1/2 (the bigger
the better) all-thread across the width/length then mechanically draw everything
tightly together, covered by the finish of your choice. If dis-assembly is out,
beg/borrow steal...er..buy an extended length auger bit similar to those used by
electricians and plumbers to create a path for the all-thread then proceed as
above. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Granted this is not
the best solution, but it would save the basic look and material while providing
some artificial stability that is obviously needed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">My 2.34
cents....YMMV<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Roy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">On Sat, Feb 27, 2016
at 8:58 AM, Richard Allen via Woodworkers <<A
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org"
target=_blank>woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Doug,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I agree that there has
to be some middle ground. I also like the pattern of the wood.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Put a coat or two of
finish on the top (not to sure about filling the cracks as the wood is likely to
continue swell and contract). However, covering the finished piece, cracks
and all, with glass would make a nice looking bar.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You could fill the
cracks with something flexible like silicon caulk. You should be able to
get caulk in black if you like black. I might consider a bright color like
red or blue to feature the cracks instead of trying to hide the cracks.
Covering the top with glass gives a chance to see and celebrate the
top.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>On Feb 26, 2016,
at 8:15 PM, Doug via Woodworkers <<A
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org"
target=_blank>woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So
that’s it? No other suggestions? I gotta do something here or the
GF’s family is going to be pretty disappointed. They don’t know wood
movement and they all came together to get this for me because of my failing
health. My knee jerk reaction was firewood but that’s just not in the
cards. I certainly agree with Mr. Allen, I’m facing an uphill battle
here but can probably pull off something to appease the masses. Richard,
please take no offense, but I have to try something, might even put a glass
top on or something. I will for sure seal it from the back just to
try to stabilize it but I’m a little reluctant to go whole hog with the
epoxy. Sure I could put a gallon of west coast against it and may do so
but I thought the list would be a little more creative. </SPAN><SPAN
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Woodworkers [<A href="mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org"
target=_blank>mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Doug via Woodworkers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 25, 2016
6:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org"
target=_blank>woodworkers@sawdusters.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Woodworkers]
So I was gifted this bar.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">My girlfriends family decided that considering my health, they would get together and give me a bar. They found this at the Brass Armadillo and as you can see, it is in less than stellar condition. I had to remove the top coat so my buddy could run the top through the big timesaver sander where he works. Naturally I had to strip the front if I ever hoped to make them match. This is a homemade piece and I’m sure the guy/girl put a lot of time into making it but unfortunately just wasn’t quite there when it came to wood choices. I have many large cracks I need to deal with. He/she even put bondo in one section. Before I saw how bad the cracks were I had thought of using epoxy and India ink to fill the gaps. I plan to make this much darker (dark walnut) to make it try to match the pieces in the place it is going. </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">My question is, since I have so many cracks to deal with, should I change my strategy and go with a filler or stick with the black epoxy? </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><image001.jpg><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><image002.jpg><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><image003.jpg><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE>
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