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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I spent some time on this thing yesterday. As I was cleaning
the old fill out (finally got to use my Fein) I made an observation that all of
the cracked/damaged woods are walnut. The oak has not moved that I can tell.
I have a fair understanding of wood movement, normally you see a piece swell
then shrink. These seem to have just shrunk, no sign of swell. Do you think our
builder may have used wet walnut? If so, I would feel much better about
filling the cracks. I have some 4/4 walnut that I could cut into strips and put
in instead of filler in some of the worst offenders. I don’t kid myself that I
can match what’s in there but thought that might be a better way to go than
just epoxy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I like the idea of the all thread but just don’t think I could
make that happen and not sure it’s necessary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Woodworkers
[mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harvey
Freeman via Woodworkers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 27, 2016 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> woodworkers@sawdusters.org; Roy Shrove<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Woodworkers] So I was gifted this bar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Many
years ago in my first course, Materials of Architecture, at the School of
Architecture the prof said “ always remember that wood is never dead”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>All
thread can do a good job on reassembling bowling alley wood but this example
has wood going both directions. I would put it as is under a tempered
glass top and use it as a bar top and conversation piece.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>My
5 cents worth because Canada stopped using pennies several years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Harvey
in Halifax<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org"
title="woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org">Roy Shrove via Woodworkers</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
Saturday, February 27, 2016 12:59 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org" title="woodworkers@sawdusters.org">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</a>
; <a href="mailto:rla_buy@yahoo.com" title="rla_buy@yahoo.com">Richard Allen</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[Woodworkers] So I was gifted this bar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
have been thinking about your problem and was thinking about an unconventional
recommendation that I saw used on some old bowling alley planks I once
obtained. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
am unclear about the extent that you can disassemble the top, but there may be
a way around this if dis-assembly is not in the cards. Have you considered
using something like all-thread to effectively pull the various pieces together
and then use big washers and nuts to provide a immovable rod to hold everything
together regardless of wood movement? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If
dis-assembly is an option drill center line through each piece then fish some
1/4 - 1/2 (the bigger the better) all-thread across the width/length then
mechanically draw everything tightly together, covered by the finish of your
choice. If dis-assembly is out, beg/borrow steal...er..buy an extended length
auger bit similar to those used by electricians and plumbers to create a path
for the all-thread then proceed as above. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Granted
this is not the best solution, but it would save the basic look and material
while providing some artificial stability that is obviously needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>My
2.34 cents....YMMV<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Roy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On
Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Richard Allen via Woodworkers <<a
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org" target="_blank">woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
Doug,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
agree that there has to be some middle ground. I also like the pattern of
the wood. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Put
a coat or two of finish on the top (not to sure about filling the cracks as the
wood is likely to continue swell and contract). However, covering the
finished piece, cracks and all, with glass would make a nice looking bar.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>You
could fill the cracks with something flexible like silicon caulk. You
should be able to get caulk in black if you like black. I might consider
a bright color like red or blue to feature the cracks instead of trying to hide
the cracks. Covering the top with glass gives a chance to see and
celebrate the top.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><br>
On Feb 26, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Doug via Woodworkers <<a
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org" target="_blank">woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So
that’s it? No other suggestions? I gotta do something here or the
GF’s family is going to be pretty disappointed. They don’t know wood
movement and they all came together to get this for me because of my failing
health. My knee jerk reaction was firewood but that’s just not in the
cards. I certainly agree with Mr. Allen, I’m facing an uphill battle here
but can probably pull off something to appease the masses. Richard,
please take no offense, but I have to try something, might even put a glass top
on or something. I will for sure seal it from the back just to try
to stabilize it but I’m a little reluctant to go whole hog with the
epoxy. Sure I could put a gallon of west coast against it and may do so
but I thought the list would be a little more creative. </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>DIAZ</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
Woodworkers [<a href="mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org"
target="_blank">mailto:woodworkers-bounces@lists.sawdusters.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Doug via Woodworkers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org" target="_blank">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Woodworkers] So I was gifted this bar.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style='color:#1F497D'>My girlfriends family decided that considering my health, they would get together and give me a bar. They found this at the Brass Armadillo and as you can see, it is in less than stellar condition. I had to remove the top coat so my buddy could run the top through the big timesaver sander where he works. Naturally I had to strip the front if I ever hoped to make them match. This is a homemade piece and I’m sure the guy/girl put a lot of time into making it but unfortunately just wasn’t quite there when it came to wood choices. I have many large cracks I need to deal with. He/she even put bondo in one section. Before I saw how bad the cracks were I had thought of using epoxy and India ink to fill the gaps. I plan to make this much darker (dark walnut) to make it try to match the pieces in the place it is going. </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My question is, since I have so many cracks to deal with, should I change my strategy and go with a filler or stick with the black epoxy? </span><span
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