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list of materials has only eight carriage bolts. That allows only one per
intersection at the four connection points on an end frame. The frame is
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=parapower44@gmail.com
href="mailto:parapower44@gmail.com">Don Myers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=woodworkers@sawdusters.org
href="mailto:woodworkers@sawdusters.org">woodworkers@sawdusters.org</A> ; <A
title=harvey.freeman@eastlink.ca href="mailto:harvey.freeman@eastlink.ca">Harvey
Freeman</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Woodworkers] Need Sturdy Picnic Table
Plans</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:29 AM, Harvey Freeman via
Woodworkers <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org"
target=_blank>woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>You are correct that hot dipped and stainless steel fasteners are
recommended for treated wood. An economical picnic table would not
likely be done with stainless steel fasteners. Never heard of copper coated
fasteners reference in the very good articles on the subject of fastener
corrosion on the Simpson Strong Tie site and I have no idea where to go
looking for such a fastener.</DIV>
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<DIV>Make sure the hot dipped fastener really is hot dipped and not electro
galvanized.</DIV>
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<DIV>Harvey Freeman</DIV>
<DIV>Halifax, Canada</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org
href="mailto:woodworkers@lists.sawdusters.org" target=_blank>Brandon Jackson
via Woodworkers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:57 AM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>You can use metal fasteners with treated lumber just fine. Hot
Dipped Galvanized, Stainless Steel or Copper Coated. The new copper based
treatments are safer than the old CCA, but I'd still not use it for the
top/seat, maybe the ground contact parts of the legs though.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Graham McCulloch via
Woodworkers <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>I will Reiterate Harvey's warning, DO NOT use pressure treated wood for
building a picnic table! Pressure treated wood contains <I>Copper Azoid</I>
a poisonous chemical. It will also react with metal components and cause
them to fail rather quickly. <BR>Graham
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<DIV><BR><BR><BR>On 25/08/2015 10:05 AM, Joe Johns via Woodworkers
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small">On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at
3:39 PM, Royce wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I believe that Joseph has some picnic table generating software
available on his site...</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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correct.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com/"
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<DIV>look under the plans button...there might be a couple of different
types available.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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href="http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com/Zip%20Files/PicnicTables.zip"
target=_blank>http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com/Zip%20Files/PicnicTables.zip</A></DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small; DISPLAY: inline">Those
plans will generate every piece of a picnic table, including the angle
cuts AND the bolt locations. You input the length and width of your
table, hit the generate button and POOF, there it is.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default style="FONT-SIZE: small; DISPLAY: inline">I know
it works on Win 7 and all the older OSs - not sure 'bout Win 8 but don't
know why it wouldn't. </DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Joe,<BR></DIV>
<DIV>The Twisted Knot Woodshop, "There's never been a classier
joint"</DIV>
<DIV>Visit the Twisted Knot Woodshop - <A
href="http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com"
target=_blank>http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com</A></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>
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